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Miteshu · Apr 02, 2011, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Ever since 7 heroes update, HM is EZ mode. I don't see any point of playing NM anymore even for title points anymore.

RenegadeSAS · Apr 02, 2011, 03:30 PM // 15:30

im kinda done with NM was only really playing so i could move all my chars through all the campaigns

caballo_oscuro · Apr 02, 2011, 03:32 PM // 15:32

The reason it's taken so long to implement 7 heroes is because Anet initially felt this would be overkill for pve, as all the nm mission and quest content can be completed with henchmen, and more easily with 3 heroes, while elite areas could be done with two people and 6 heroes with a little challenge if they were well prepared.

There's been several instances when overpowered game mechanics swept through gw and heroes were one of the biggest methods of player power-creep, allowing everyone to have more control over how they interacted with the game, and therefore making the game easier in a lot of instances.

In several cases, Anet said that implementing 7 heroes would not be good for the game and they refused for so long because they knew the challenge would be eliminated at this point.

In fact, the sheer speed of reactions that heroes have when using skills are why they were eventually kicked from HA.

By bringing in the 7 hero capability, Anet seems to be saying that they're satisfied that the majority of people have exhausted the bulk of the game at this stage and they're simply giving everyone the fredom to blast through the game to get whatever they want/need from it.

It means they're comfortable that GW has met their expectations and they're happy that GW2 is coming sooner rather than later, and that there's enough there now for players to keep themselves occupied til the new game launches, even though it probably won't be this year.

pingu666 · Apr 02, 2011, 03:36 PM // 15:36

i wish hm gave you credit for normal mode too
i do nm on survivors, my mains pretty much done with nm apart from dungeons D:

Sagittario · Apr 02, 2011, 03:43 PM // 15:43

I've done everything in HM before NM, but NM missions are required for protector titles and NM dungeons are required for Master of North title. Skill capping in NM is much more comfortable.

chaosincarnate87 · Apr 02, 2011, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Even prior to the update NM, aside from title based needs, was pointless, HM isn't even THAT much of a challenge prior to the update, so theres especially no need to play NM for recreational purposes at this point.

FyrFytr998 · Apr 02, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by caballo_oscuro

The reason it's taken so long to implement 7 heroes is because Anet initially felt ........they're happy that GW2 is coming sooner rather than later, and that there's enough there now for players to keep themselves occupied til the new game launches, even though it probably won't be this year.

What you said. All of that. Good Job.

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Originally Posted by chaosincarnate87

.......so there's especially no need to play NM for recreational purposes at this point.

Prior to the 7 hero update, there were the casual gamers out there, like myself, who liked to pop in NM from time to time just for fun with oddball builds. I don't see that fact changing for casual gamers now. 7 heroes NM is the perfect time waster if you don't care about drops.

Verene · Apr 02, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23

And as ever, we have people assuming that since HM is easy for them, that everyone ever finds it incredibly easy blah blah blah.

I mostly do HM stuff now (because I'm working on vanquishing), but only with my main. All of my other characters I play with in NM, because they haven't finished everything yet and why waste time and effort doing stuff in HM when I haven't yet done it in NM and need to do it NM anyway?

Plus certain things - like skill hunting - are just stupid to do in HM. Why make it harder for yourself than it has to be?

S00per Dave · Apr 02, 2011, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I utilize NM to do the initial unlocking of outposts and heroes...everything else is done in HM.

**cosyfiep** · Apr 02, 2011, 04:34 PM // 16:34

yes I still mainly play in nm....I like to try out builds that just wont work in hm. (eg I like to have FUN and RELAX while I play--why I bought the game).
and I have some accounts that have yet to complete any chapter so no hm for them (mostly mules and nic gift getters)

JDRyder · Apr 02, 2011, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Really I only use HM when its needed. That said I also refuse to use any of the mata/gimmicks (SoS, Discord ect) and mostly play in NM but make the game harder via the builds/team make ups I use. Eg team with no healers ect. Call my crazy but the game is just more fun to me that way and I avoid becoming that guy who goes on forums, finds a uber HM team make up then goes around thinking hes 1337 while using the same thing everyone else is using. HM never really was hard, its more annoy imho in that it pigeon holes the variety of game play, which NM doesn't do. Basically if I wanted a challenge I'd go PvP, PvE will always be easy once you find a uber team build and you may as well set your goal to be what the challenge is (team of all rangers anyone?) instead of relying on lackluster AI to percent you with said challenge.

Laraja · Apr 02, 2011, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by S00per Dave

I utilize NM to do the initial unlocking of outposts and heroes...everything else is done in HM.

^^^^^ This, because I'm usually in a hurry to get a character through a campaign for one reason or another (like my mesmer for DoA) so I just dash through it all NM. I also cap most elites in NM unless I'm doing it during a vanquish or HM run in a dungeon. Quests are also done in NM unless I'm pairing them with a vanquish/dungeon.

Laraja · Apr 02, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

Really I only use HM when its needed. That said I also refuse to use any of the mata/gimmicks (SoS, Discord ect) and mostly play in NM but make the game harder via the builds/team make ups I use. Eg team with no healers ect. Call my crazy but the game is just more fun to me that way and I avoid becoming that guy who goes on forums, finds a uber HM team make up then goes around thinking hes 1337 while using the same thing everyone else is using. HM never really was hard, its more annoy imho in that it pigeon holes the variety of game play, which NM doesn't do. Basically if I wanted a challenge I'd go PvP, PvE will always be easy once you find a uber team build and you may as well set your goal to be what the challenge is (team of all rangers anyone?) instead of relying on lackluster AI to percent you with said challenge.

It's true that HM is more annoying than it is hard, really it just requires more patience I think and a bit more strategy. Careful pulling, careful flagging. In NM you can blunder your way through just about any area... although in a lot of HM vanquishes you can do that, too, maybe not blunder, but definitely auto-pilot even before the 7 hero update. I have my legendary vanquisher, and there were some areas that were definitely auto-pilot; c & control-c through the entire area.

THAT said, it irks me when people think they're superior for not using the "leet" or "meta" builds (whatever you label it/them). In itself that attitude is a bit elitist. Personally, I use whatever will get the job done. If that's discord then I'll use it. If discord doesn't work, I won't use it. If I need a team of mesmers, I'll load that up. I like to use the tools the game gives me to my advantage, that's not lazy, that's playing smart and knowing your areas. Do you use a hammer when a wrench is better? No. Because that's dumb. And if you prefer to ignore the right tool for the job, don't stick your nose up at people who don't.

Lufina · Apr 02, 2011, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I've been trying to get through NM in the UW with just me and my seven heroes just to explore the geography and become familiar with it on my own before trying to learn with a group of real people. A lot of the quests are overwhelming for me even in NM. I can't imagine getting anything done at all in HM there.

JDRyder · Apr 02, 2011, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Laraja

THAT said, it irks me when people think they're superior for not using the "leet" or "meta" builds (whatever you label it/them).

I'm not saying I think people are leet for not using mata, just that I get Lolz from bad players who cant come up with their own builds and think they're awesome because they can use a forum.

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Personally, I use whatever will get the job done. If that's discord then I'll use it. If discord doesn't work, I won't use it. If I need a team of mesmers, I'll load that up.

and if its boring using those builds do you still use them?

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Do you use a hammer when a wrench is better?

Maybe

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No.

no I said maybe

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Because that's dumb.

Dumb can be very fun

Why is it dumb to do things wrong way if its fun doing so? Some one once said to me "In itself that attitude is a bit elitist."

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And if you prefer to ignore the fun for the job, don't stick your nose up at people who don't.

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Its a game, if you only want to use the right tool for the job maybe you'd have more fun doing math problems

Laraja · Apr 02, 2011, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

I'm not saying I think people are leet for not using mata, just that I get Lolz from bad players who cant come up with their own builds and think they're awesome because they can use a forum.

and if its boring using those builds do you still use them?

Maybe no I said maybe

Dumb can be very fun

Why is it dumb to do things wrong way if its fun doing so? Some one once said to me "In itself that attitude is a bit elitist."

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Its a game, if you only want to use the right tool for the job maybe you'd have more fun doing math problems

Twisting my words make you feel clever? Don't be obtuse. You know exactly what I mean.

Yes, it is a game, people should be able to play how they like. What erks me is when people get all righteous when they think their way is better. "Oh, well, I'm sooooo much better because I refuse to use discord or SoS". Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's exactly how you came off.

Of course dumb can be fun. Some guild mates and I like to do Urgoz runs while drunk with the post-processing graphics on. It's silly and ridiculous, utterly stupid. The other day we did a bogroots run and the only requirement was to use a character that you are horrible at playing. Two of us playing monks were the suckiest monks ever with awful builds, but still managed to keep the team somewhat alive (most of the time... sorta). Giving each other loads of shit for sucking had me laughing until I cried.

Boring is subjective. What bores me may float your boat. So don't even go there.

The math analogy is wasted on me, and so far off base that you're in a ball field in another galaxy light years outside the milky way.

jcegt87 · Apr 02, 2011, 06:06 PM // 18:06

i like doing NM because like my friend Homer Simpson says

"i felt like a big man pushing that little kid around" lol

Lasai · Apr 02, 2011, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by caballo_oscuro

The reason it's taken so long to implement 7 heroes is because Anet initially felt this would be overkill for pve, as all the nm mission and quest content can be completed with henchmen, and more easily with 3 heroes, while elite areas could be done with two people and 6 heroes with a little challenge if they were well prepared.

There's been several instances when overpowered game mechanics swept through gw and heroes were one of the biggest methods of player power-creep, allowing everyone to have more control over how they interacted with the game, and therefore making the game easier in a lot of instances.

In several cases, Anet said that implementing 7 heroes would not be good for the game and they refused for so long because they knew the challenge would be eliminated at this point.

In fact, the sheer speed of reactions that heroes have when using skills are why they were eventually kicked from HA.

By bringing in the 7 hero capability, Anet seems to be saying that they're satisfied that the majority of people have exhausted the bulk of the game at this stage and they're simply giving everyone the fredom to blast through the game to get whatever they want/need from it.

It means they're comfortable that GW has met their expectations and they're happy that GW2 is coming sooner rather than later, and that there's enough there now for players to keep themselves occupied til the new game launches, even though it probably won't be this year.

Nice job presenting speculation as fact. IF I ever feel, truly, that ANET is purposefully sabotaging this game to somehow promote GW2 I will uninstall and be done with the company. That is a breach far beyond mere store items.

And to the OP, no, I don't run HM all the time, and I seriously doubt the majority do. I doubt that many who still find the game challenging even bother to post here, as they are immediately pounced upon by the "baw gawd I vanquished Tyria with frenzy, mending, and just Alesia" crowd.

And frankly.. to that point, why not feel a bit proud not using the meta's, since the general attitude is that meta hero groups make this fisher-price. You all created the attitude that using meta builds made the game facerolling easy..

MikoMoriya · Apr 02, 2011, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Hm...I only really play NM in FoW/UW/DoA, if only because my shard/ecto drop rate is usually higher in NM than it is in HM...and I don't like playing with elitest jerks in DoA that force you to bring DwG or GTFO. No thanks, I'll just take my heroes and clear it my own way. -.-

Everything else is done in HM though, and yes...it was already not hard before 7 heroes.

JDRyder · Apr 02, 2011, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Laraja

Twisting my words make you feel clever? Don't be obtuse. You know exactly what I mean.

Maybe that wasn't your intention, but that's exactly how you came off.

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Yes, it is a game, people should be able to play how they like. What erks me is when people get all righteous when they think their way is better. "Oh, well, I'm sooooo much better because I refuse to use discord or SoS".

I'm not saying I think I'm better because I don't use those builds, I'm saying they boring to me

Which is why I said

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Call my crazy but the game is just more fun to me that way

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Boring is subjective. What bores me may float your boat. So don't even go there.

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